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	<description>How to make 7 million in 7 years ...</description>
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		<title>By: At last a post that agrees with me! &#171; How to Make 7 Million in 7 Years™</title>
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		<dc:creator>At last a post that agrees with me! &#171; How to Make 7 Million in 7 Years™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if Pinyo&#8217;s post - or, my earlier posts - haven&#8217;t yet convinced you, let me draw it out for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if Pinyo&#8217;s post &#8211; or, my earlier posts &#8211; haven&#8217;t yet convinced you, let me draw it out for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ TraineeInvestor - exactly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TraineeInvestor &#8211; exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: traineeinvestor</title>
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		<dc:creator>traineeinvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether paying off your mortgage is the right move depends on your objectives.  In wealth creation mode, it should be possible to identify investments which produce better returns than the savings in mortgage interest. If you take this line of reasoning to its logical conclusion you would always opt for interest only loans (assuming the interest rate is the same) and only repay when the asset is sold.  Alternatively, if you are in wealth preservation mode, a lower return, lower risk investment such as paying off a mortgage can make a lot of sense.

Of course, if you are clueless about investments I would advocate going for the investment everytime - its the best way to educate yourself.  In contrast, if you have doubts about your ability to service the mortgage in the near future repayment may also be the right move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether paying off your mortgage is the right move depends on your objectives.  In wealth creation mode, it should be possible to identify investments which produce better returns than the savings in mortgage interest. If you take this line of reasoning to its logical conclusion you would always opt for interest only loans (assuming the interest rate is the same) and only repay when the asset is sold.  Alternatively, if you are in wealth preservation mode, a lower return, lower risk investment such as paying off a mortgage can make a lot of sense.</p>
<p>Of course, if you are clueless about investments I would advocate going for the investment everytime &#8211; its the best way to educate yourself.  In contrast, if you have doubts about your ability to service the mortgage in the near future repayment may also be the right move.</p>
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		<title>By: AJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Caprica - Me too; I&#039;ll have to stop talking about it ;) The pay-down-your-morgage guys miss the point: they are REDUCING levergage, when they should be INCREASING it ... at least, if they want to BUILD REAL WEALTH.

There MAY be a different discussion if you are in Making Money 301 (a.k.a. &#039;retirement&#039;) and just want to preserve wealth. Even then, I would be leveraging into RE - just at a lesser Loan-to-Value Ratio.

BUT ... the remainder of your comment is about SPECULATION, which really isn&#039;t necessary unless you have a VERY financial mountain to climb and yoy are willing to go the &#039;Summit or Bust&#039; route many times!

@ Shafer - No, mortgage interest is indeed flat ... except if you have a P&amp;I loan that recalc&#039;s on current loan value and don&#039;t reduce payments to match reduction in principal ... then you are effectively getting a &#039;compounding&#039; reduction in &#039;whole life cost of the mortgage + principal&#039;. I think :)

You make a strong argument for fixing the interest: inflation is suddenly on YOUR side. The ultimate anti-inflationary too, by corollary, is not to pay ANY principal for as long as possible!

@ Ben - there are online mortgage calculators that will show the effect of prepayment of principal, but to do so misses the point: from an investment perspective there is no advantage to take your capital OUT of circulation, when it could be used so much more effectively elsewhere (e.g. buy an investment property; start a business; heck, buy some stocks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Caprica &#8211; Me too; I&#8217;ll have to stop talking about it <img src='http://7million7years.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  The pay-down-your-morgage guys miss the point: they are REDUCING levergage, when they should be INCREASING it &#8230; at least, if they want to BUILD REAL WEALTH.</p>
<p>There MAY be a different discussion if you are in Making Money 301 (a.k.a. &#8216;retirement&#8217;) and just want to preserve wealth. Even then, I would be leveraging into RE &#8211; just at a lesser Loan-to-Value Ratio.</p>
<p>BUT &#8230; the remainder of your comment is about SPECULATION, which really isn&#8217;t necessary unless you have a VERY financial mountain to climb and yoy are willing to go the &#8216;Summit or Bust&#8217; route many times!</p>
<p>@ Shafer &#8211; No, mortgage interest is indeed flat &#8230; except if you have a P&amp;I loan that recalc&#8217;s on current loan value and don&#8217;t reduce payments to match reduction in principal &#8230; then you are effectively getting a &#8216;compounding&#8217; reduction in &#8216;whole life cost of the mortgage + principal&#8217;. I think <img src='http://7million7years.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You make a strong argument for fixing the interest: inflation is suddenly on YOUR side. The ultimate anti-inflationary too, by corollary, is not to pay ANY principal for as long as possible!</p>
<p>@ Ben &#8211; there are online mortgage calculators that will show the effect of prepayment of principal, but to do so misses the point: from an investment perspective there is no advantage to take your capital OUT of circulation, when it could be used so much more effectively elsewhere (e.g. buy an investment property; start a business; heck, buy some stocks).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post by Shafer Financial is what I have been thinking about for some time as a first time home buyer.

From what I have been able to understand myself if you put a dollar on principle on the first payment that dollar saves you a heck of a lot more than the extra dollar on principle halfway through the loan repayment period and no savings on the final payment.

With that said, there must be a formula indicating the amount of savings for each amount on principle for each payment in the amortization schedule.  What would that be?

THAT would be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post by Shafer Financial is what I have been thinking about for some time as a first time home buyer.</p>
<p>From what I have been able to understand myself if you put a dollar on principle on the first payment that dollar saves you a heck of a lot more than the extra dollar on principle halfway through the loan repayment period and no savings on the final payment.</p>
<p>With that said, there must be a formula indicating the amount of savings for each amount on principle for each payment in the amortization schedule.  What would that be?</p>
<p>THAT would be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: shaferfinancial</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually mortgage interest does not compound, at least not in the sense of compounding interest.  When you get a rate of return on an asset the next year you gain on the asset plus the additional gain from the positive rate of return. This getting interest on last years interest is what compounding means. In a mortgage you pay interest on the principal amount each year, so unless you are in a negative amortization loan your interest will either stay the same (interest only) or go down the following year making your interest payment smaller.  That is another reason why it makes financial sense to re-finance after 10 years.  The amount of interest paid is significantly lower in year 10 lowering your tax benefit.  Finally, I love the fact I am paying off a loan with devalued dollars.  The dollars I pay in 2008 are worth much more than the dollars I will be paying in 2018!

I have found that these folks that hate this strategy are reacting to the emotion of fear or scarcity.  It is really pretty simple to set up a chart demonstrating the advantages of even getting the same rate of return as your mortgage rate.  Of course the advantage of this arbitrage increases dramatically with every 1/4 point you do better than your mortgage rate!

If you can&#039;t get 7-8% on your money then that is the real problem, not the simple mortgage arbitrage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually mortgage interest does not compound, at least not in the sense of compounding interest.  When you get a rate of return on an asset the next year you gain on the asset plus the additional gain from the positive rate of return. This getting interest on last years interest is what compounding means. In a mortgage you pay interest on the principal amount each year, so unless you are in a negative amortization loan your interest will either stay the same (interest only) or go down the following year making your interest payment smaller.  That is another reason why it makes financial sense to re-finance after 10 years.  The amount of interest paid is significantly lower in year 10 lowering your tax benefit.  Finally, I love the fact I am paying off a loan with devalued dollars.  The dollars I pay in 2008 are worth much more than the dollars I will be paying in 2018!</p>
<p>I have found that these folks that hate this strategy are reacting to the emotion of fear or scarcity.  It is really pretty simple to set up a chart demonstrating the advantages of even getting the same rate of return as your mortgage rate.  Of course the advantage of this arbitrage increases dramatically with every 1/4 point you do better than your mortgage rate!</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t get 7-8% on your money then that is the real problem, not the simple mortgage arbitrage!</p>
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		<title>By: Caprica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caprica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the whole discussion of putting your in your mortgage vs. the stock market sooooo tired.  If you pick up magazines on finance, there are endless articles on &quot;should you put money in your mortgage or should you put money in the stock market&quot;.  The artciles then go on about how you can make 8% pa on your house and 11% pa on stocks. blah blah blah.

These articles just dont get it.  Furthermore having this argument is the wrong argument.  You should be looking for a range of opportunities to make a 100% pa or more not 10% pa. Once you have found a relatively good one, you pounce make your money, get out and start looking for the next opportunity.  Once you have made your dough you can then decide what to do with it.  You can decide to pay out your mortgage or top up your kids college fund or you can put it in a slower passive money making thing like rentals / 401K / super or you can invest it in the next big thing.  Generally it is better to 2 or more of the 4 options depending on how much you have made, because you dont know if your next venture is going to be a doozy.  In my case I used realestate speculation to pay out my mortgage and with the left over cash I am now looking for the next thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the whole discussion of putting your in your mortgage vs. the stock market sooooo tired.  If you pick up magazines on finance, there are endless articles on &#8220;should you put money in your mortgage or should you put money in the stock market&#8221;.  The artciles then go on about how you can make 8% pa on your house and 11% pa on stocks. blah blah blah.</p>
<p>These articles just dont get it.  Furthermore having this argument is the wrong argument.  You should be looking for a range of opportunities to make a 100% pa or more not 10% pa. Once you have found a relatively good one, you pounce make your money, get out and start looking for the next opportunity.  Once you have made your dough you can then decide what to do with it.  You can decide to pay out your mortgage or top up your kids college fund or you can put it in a slower passive money making thing like rentals / 401K / super or you can invest it in the next big thing.  Generally it is better to 2 or more of the 4 options depending on how much you have made, because you dont know if your next venture is going to be a doozy.  In my case I used realestate speculation to pay out my mortgage and with the left over cash I am now looking for the next thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell them to email me.  I would like a copy to review.</description>
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