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		<title>By: Even more on the debt-free fallacy &#8230;- 7million7years</title>
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		<dc:creator>Even more on the debt-free fallacy &#8230;- 7million7years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] come as a great surprise that I both agree and disagree with Jesse &#8211; the Debt Go To Guy- who says: Risking $1,000 a month on a possible 8% return instead of a guaranteed after-tax ROI of 5% by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] come as a great surprise that I both agree and disagree with Jesse &#8211; the Debt Go To Guy- who says: Risking $1,000 a month on a possible 8% return instead of a guaranteed after-tax ROI of 5% by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jesse - Interesting move: from trading to helping people get out of debt. Good luck with it.

Thanks for your comments, as well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jesse &#8211; Interesting move: from trading to helping people get out of debt. Good luck with it.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments, as well <img src='http://7million7years.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Niesen, DebtGoToGuy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Niesen, DebtGoToGuy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everyone!  My assistant Linda commented here in November (above), and I&#039;m just seeing this... So I wanted to add my two cents since there&#039;s a link to my website posted here.

@totaltransformation - Risking $1,000 a month on a possible 8% return instead of a guaranteed after-tax ROI of 5% by paying down mortgage debt is NOT such a &quot;Duh&quot; decision.  If you do get 8% you must pay taxes, and if you live in a state like CA, then after taxes you&#039;re about even.  Plus you have slippage... transactional fees etc for the investment / trade.  So risking your $1,000 a month on 8% instead of a guaranteed after tax return of 5% is not always so smart, and a bad example.

People with double-digit interest rates on credit card debt, especially the many folks paying 20-30%+ interest, are not likely to find a better investment opportunity in their entire life than inside their own liability column.  Every dollar in debt paid off is a guaranteed after tax ROI of 20-30%.  Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch and Sir John Templeton would all agree and even George Soros couldn&#039;t produce a better ROI over time.  What makes you think someone in debt could pull off such a stunt?  

I think Dave Ramsey provides sound advice for most people, and while I think it&#039;s better to expand your means and increase your income instead of living like a popper, his advice has proven to help many hundreds of thousands of people to stop paying interest and start earning interest, and that&#039;s the key.

If you&#039;re carrying debt and it buys you an asset that truly pays the interest for you when you account for taxes and expenses, then no one can argue with your financial intelligence.  Good debt can make you wealthy.  Look at Donald Trump!

But if you are paying interest on debt and it&#039;s even questionable that you&#039;re money is doing better somewhere else instead of paying off the debt, then you&#039;re probably only fooling yourself.

BTW - I have made my living in the stock market trading stocks and options.  In fact, I&#039;ve made more money doing that than anything else, but I also know I am a RARE bird.  95% of the people who go into the market get their head chopped off and lose, period.  If you are messing around thinking you will get rich fast, then I wish you luck and offer one solid piece of advice: BUY, STUDY &amp; IMPLEMENT the book &quot;Trading for a Living&quot; by Dr. Alexander Elder.  The man is a great teacher (I trained under him myself) and the book is priceless.  Forget about buying all the fancy trainings, seminar, videos etc, and just buy the book for $20.  After spending over $50k on my own training, I can say the most important lessons are inside that one single book.  Best wishes!

Last but not least, if you&#039;re guilty of carrying high interest credit card debt, then be a smart investor and invest for the highest, most probable ROI: In your balance sheet, on the right side... and Get Out of Debt FAST!  [&lt;em&gt;link removed&lt;/em&gt;]

STOP Paying Interest &amp; START Earning Interest ASAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone!  My assistant Linda commented here in November (above), and I&#8217;m just seeing this&#8230; So I wanted to add my two cents since there&#8217;s a link to my website posted here.</p>
<p>@totaltransformation &#8211; Risking $1,000 a month on a possible 8% return instead of a guaranteed after-tax ROI of 5% by paying down mortgage debt is NOT such a &#8220;Duh&#8221; decision.  If you do get 8% you must pay taxes, and if you live in a state like CA, then after taxes you&#8217;re about even.  Plus you have slippage&#8230; transactional fees etc for the investment / trade.  So risking your $1,000 a month on 8% instead of a guaranteed after tax return of 5% is not always so smart, and a bad example.</p>
<p>People with double-digit interest rates on credit card debt, especially the many folks paying 20-30%+ interest, are not likely to find a better investment opportunity in their entire life than inside their own liability column.  Every dollar in debt paid off is a guaranteed after tax ROI of 20-30%.  Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch and Sir John Templeton would all agree and even George Soros couldn&#8217;t produce a better ROI over time.  What makes you think someone in debt could pull off such a stunt?  </p>
<p>I think Dave Ramsey provides sound advice for most people, and while I think it&#8217;s better to expand your means and increase your income instead of living like a popper, his advice has proven to help many hundreds of thousands of people to stop paying interest and start earning interest, and that&#8217;s the key.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re carrying debt and it buys you an asset that truly pays the interest for you when you account for taxes and expenses, then no one can argue with your financial intelligence.  Good debt can make you wealthy.  Look at Donald Trump!</p>
<p>But if you are paying interest on debt and it&#8217;s even questionable that you&#8217;re money is doing better somewhere else instead of paying off the debt, then you&#8217;re probably only fooling yourself.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I have made my living in the stock market trading stocks and options.  In fact, I&#8217;ve made more money doing that than anything else, but I also know I am a RARE bird.  95% of the people who go into the market get their head chopped off and lose, period.  If you are messing around thinking you will get rich fast, then I wish you luck and offer one solid piece of advice: BUY, STUDY &amp; IMPLEMENT the book &#8220;Trading for a Living&#8221; by Dr. Alexander Elder.  The man is a great teacher (I trained under him myself) and the book is priceless.  Forget about buying all the fancy trainings, seminar, videos etc, and just buy the book for $20.  After spending over $50k on my own training, I can say the most important lessons are inside that one single book.  Best wishes!</p>
<p>Last but not least, if you&#8217;re guilty of carrying high interest credit card debt, then be a smart investor and invest for the highest, most probable ROI: In your balance sheet, on the right side&#8230; and Get Out of Debt FAST!  [<em>link removed</em>]</p>
<p>STOP Paying Interest &amp; START Earning Interest ASAP!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda -  Debt Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda -  Debt Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key concept here is good vs. bad debt.  Unsecured debt, with interest rates of 15-30% is very bad debt!  Home mortgages and student loans are good debt.  If people pay off the credit card debt, and keep the mortgage so they have more cash for investments, they are growing their financial tree so to speak. That is, if they take the time to get a financial education and know what to invest in, how to make compound interest work for them, etc.  The first step is learning &lt;a href=&quot;http://debtfreeasapblog.com/how-credit-works/how-credit-works/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How Credit Works&lt;/a&gt;, then using it wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key concept here is good vs. bad debt.  Unsecured debt, with interest rates of 15-30% is very bad debt!  Home mortgages and student loans are good debt.  If people pay off the credit card debt, and keep the mortgage so they have more cash for investments, they are growing their financial tree so to speak. That is, if they take the time to get a financial education and know what to invest in, how to make compound interest work for them, etc.  The first step is learning <a href="http://debtfreeasapblog.com/how-credit-works/how-credit-works/" rel="nofollow">How Credit Works</a>, then using it wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: Not a fan?- 7million7years</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not a fan?- 7million7years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fairly safe to say that Mike is NOT a fan: I happened to stumble on this site doing some research on debt free. No wonder I’ve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike - Is the objective to avoid paying the banks money or to reach your own financial goals? If you can do that without paying the banks any money, more power to you ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike &#8211; Is the objective to avoid paying the banks money or to reach your own financial goals? If you can do that without paying the banks any money, more power to you &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened to stumble on this site doing some research on debt free.  No wonder I&#039;ve never heard of this site or even the radio show apparently associated with it.  Anyone who thinks that living debt free is the wrong thing to do needs to have their head examined.  That&#039;s like saying Ohh we shouldnt live debt free we&#039;re on the planet to make banks rich on our hard earned money.  Nice mentality you got there.  It just doesn&#039;t hold any water.  The question you should be asking yourself is would you rather live be constantly paying out your hard earned cash to banks making money off you not paying for your own assets or should you own your assets outright and control a greater portion of your hard earned cash?  The choice IS obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened to stumble on this site doing some research on debt free.  No wonder I&#8217;ve never heard of this site or even the radio show apparently associated with it.  Anyone who thinks that living debt free is the wrong thing to do needs to have their head examined.  That&#8217;s like saying Ohh we shouldnt live debt free we&#8217;re on the planet to make banks rich on our hard earned money.  Nice mentality you got there.  It just doesn&#8217;t hold any water.  The question you should be asking yourself is would you rather live be constantly paying out your hard earned cash to banks making money off you not paying for your own assets or should you own your assets outright and control a greater portion of your hard earned cash?  The choice IS obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: stevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t make 3% Totaltransform.....remember a thing called taxes?!?!?!  Plus if you are only making 8% on your investment then you are in the wrong vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t make 3% Totaltransform&#8230;..remember a thing called taxes?!?!?!  Plus if you are only making 8% on your investment then you are in the wrong vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: AJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MoneyMonk - To each their own, indeed. Doesn&#039;t make it right, though ... stand by for more because you raise an important point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MoneyMonk &#8211; To each their own, indeed. Doesn&#8217;t make it right, though &#8230; stand by for more because you raise an important point!</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7mil,

to each their own. In my parents case it was wise for them to pay off their mortgage because they have no knowlege of stocks and investments.

In my case it maybe be wise. Some people just like the simple no risk life. Younger people tend to take more risk because time is on their side.

Unless more people are educated about the market, many will go the debt free route because it take no risk</description>
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<p>to each their own. In my parents case it was wise for them to pay off their mortgage because they have no knowlege of stocks and investments.</p>
<p>In my case it maybe be wise. Some people just like the simple no risk life. Younger people tend to take more risk because time is on their side.</p>
<p>Unless more people are educated about the market, many will go the debt free route because it take no risk</p>
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